You Go Russell
okay I admit - Shambo too - she is growing on me if for nothing else spoiler at some point!!!!!

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Ocean923 |
Survivor Soma 11/12/09 |
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Russell Russell Russell - When this season started I wanted this dude gone gone gone but I find myself jumping up and down now. FINALLY FINALLY a contestant
that has watched the pasted seasons of Survivor and is playing the game. Of course he can find the HII everyone else should be able to also - it's not
rocket science!
You Go Russell okay I admit - Shambo too - she is growing on me if for nothing else spoiler at some point!!!!! |
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LilBitK0ntry |
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I can take or leave Russell but fact is, he IS the only one who has been playing the game since day one. As I watch each week I can't help but shake my
head and wonder if the others have ever watched the show at all. They seem to not have a clue about how the game works, while in the meantime, Russell is
playing holding all the cards and playing them at the precise moment. If he can only keep things rolling as he has he is more than deserving of the million
dollars in my opinion.
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Teviko |
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I'm in agreement with Ocean. I've done a 180 when it comes to Russell this season. In the beginning I was sure I was not going to like this guy.
Now, I'm cheering him on. He is playing the game, but I believe only in respect to finding and using the HII's. I don't think he had
anymore sway over voting people off than anyone else in his tribe. (Let's face it. His first choice rarely went each week.) But more than gameplay this
guy is entertaining to watch, probably the most entertaining thing this season. He's like Coach from Survivor Tocantins, with one exception. No matter
how much I loved watching Coach, I didn't want him to win. This season I want Russell to go the whole way!
Go, Russell!!! |
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TigerJohn |
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MrsTiger and I really enjoyed the vote... the looks on the faces as "Russel, doesn't count" was read out was just classic
Erik in the jury box was also classic... if anyone at all from his previous tribe makes it to final 3, he/she is going to have to work go get Erik's vote |
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ctbigbear |
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Like everyone else, my opinion of Russell changed a lot this week. But stepping back you have to realize that that has to do with the editing. This week he
didn't come off as arrogant or as sexist. I don't think Russell changed, I think it's the edit. Sure, he is playing the game well, I said that all
along but the reason we hated him as his attitude. This week Laura and Dave looked bad, and in Dave's case, clueless, and all of us were cheering as
Dave's jaw dropped and Russell engineered a coup with the HII.
Making Russell look good is a clue he may be heading to final two, but then there can be a lot more twists and turns before this is over. |
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ctbigbear |
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I was just thinking, if the Foa Foa people can pull Shambo over to their side they will be five to five. Also, despite what people said in TC, Galu is not a
unified group.
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Teviko |
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ctbigbear wrote:That's very possibly, but then again maybe Russell is playing the game a bit differently. In those early episodes the other survivors were nobodies, not only to Russell but to everyone else. In Russell's case they were game pieces that he had to learn how to maneuver. Also, it's quite possible Russell wanted as much camera time as possible in the final edit and he felt that over the top in his comments would be more camera worthy. As the weeks/days progress he gets to know the other survivors as people, not just game pieces. Sure, he still needs to manipulate them, but he knows them better and is making human connections with them, so he may not be as abrasive toward them. And, as far as playing to the camera, you can only keep that up so long. As the game continues and Russell gets more worn down and the camera become a more natural part of the environment I believe the whole attitude of playing to the camera begins to become more of a struggle, less important and possibly even forgotten. |
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skeptik |
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Boy, did I call it or what? I predicted Russ finding the re-hidden HII and not going after last week's episode. I've been in Ft Worth all week but
managed to see the show last night.
There are 2 scenarios for Russell and the Foa 4 to play out next week. 1) We see in the previews Laura is running Galu and has her minions tailing Russ all day to make sure he doesn't find the HII so I don't see him finding it and blindsiding the Galu-idiots again next week. Galu is not sure Shambo has switched to Foa, so if Shambo can be a spy and determine who Galu is targeting, and the HII is found by a Foa, they can do the HII blindside again and possibly get rid of Laura by giving the HII to the Galu target. 2) Assuming Russ and Laura do not have the IN and are the mortal enemies we saw in the previews, Shambo switches and the vote is 5-5 Russ and Laura. IIRC, we do a fire start challenge and I'll assume Russ wins and sends Laura to the jury so we have the Foa 4 plus Shambo with a 5-4 advantage over Galu. The other possibility is that Shambo talks John the rocket guy into jumping to Foa for a 6-4 advantage. Enough what-ifs for now. Some observations from last night's show. The Galu-idiots have done some damage to any possibility of getting Erik's vote at FTC. They were talking about Erik as if he was not there and the looks on his face was great. They should have given him tons of credit and said they turned on him because he was such a strong player and to get the HII out of the game instead of telling the truth. The IC where Laura came from way behind to win looked rigged to me. Shambo had a big lead and the guy (was it Dave) had a bigger lead. How could Laura have won? It seemed too convenient to me to have her win, but I see production assistance behind every tree. |
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Basileos |
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ctbigbear wrote:Despite her vote for Russell (which she knew would not even count anyway) she has already stated in DR that she is working with Foa, so I think they can relax a bit there. As for Russ, while I still do not like him (positive edit or not) I do have to say well played! Though I do find it a bit odd that somehow, despite not having ANY clues, he has managed to find the HII twice. |
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Basileos wrote:____- Simple, just walk over to where the camera man is pointing his camera. I don't know if Shambo's fake vote for Russ was enough to throw the rest of Galu off the track, but it will be interesting to see how Russ maneuvers out of the target next time. |
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TigerJohn |
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>despite not having ANY clues, he has managed to find the HII twice
Russhole has clearly watched enough previous seasons to have a good idea of "likely" places to hide the HII - and he was persistent in looking, while others (in BOTH tribes) just sat around with their heads up their... duffle bags Since next week's preview shows a crew tailing Russhole, the rest of Foa really needs to take a page out of his book and all 3 of them need to do some searching themselves... if any other Foa member finds the HII, and gives it to Russhole before TC, another Galu will be on the way out the door... with any luck at all, it will be Laura I don't care much for Russhole's arrogance... but do realize that such may just be game play to get more face time... but will have to say that his play of the HII was really GREAT at the last TC |
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Shasta7 |
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I do have to admit, I like a good blindside, and Dave's jawdrop was amazing to see! Like all of you, Russell is growing on me...but if I stand in one
spot long enough so does fungus!
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skeptik |
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Shasta7 wrote:____________ How could he be so surprised? At camp he was talking about splitting the vote because Russ could have the HII. They had 6 sure votes plus Shambo, and Foa had only 4 so if they gave Russ 5 votes that only left 2 for Mick. They needed to give Russ 0 votes and Mick the rest, but I guess they hate Russ so much, they did not want to split the vote or target anybody else. The previews seem to show Galu trailing Russ to keep him from finding the HII, so the rest of Foa (plus Sham) needs to step up and find it for the alliance. How sweet would it be next week if Galu keeps Russ from finding the HII, Shambo finds it, gives it to Russ, and he does a replay of last week with Laura going out with her jaw on the floor |
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Basileos |
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It's entirely possible skeptik that Shambo threw them off the scent (Oh, there's no way Russ could have the second HII. etc etc) She seems to be
embracing her double agent role fully, so she could have made them feel more secure in the Russ vote.
But here is what I want to know. Where does Shambo fit in at Foa? Is she still the fifth wheel like she would be at Galu, or was she given something more tangible? I can bet Russ made a F2 deal with her that we haven't seen, but what other kind of assurances has she gotten from the rest of Foa? I hope they explore that in future episodes. |
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TigerJohn |
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Even without a "deal" of any kind, I think Shambo feels DIS-liked at Galu and LIKED at Foa... so she's going with the people who like her
I really hope SOMEBODY from Foa finds the HII before the next TC, so Russhole can repeat the last "this doesn't count" vote |
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skeptik |
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Basileos wrote:_____ I'm running out of space on my DVR so I erase the Surv epi after I watch it, but I thought Russ promised Sham a F2 deal if she would help him. It was the epi after the merge when they voted Erik off(I think) or it was this last week after he found the HII and said he was not going to tell anybody then he showed it to Sham and made the F2 promise then. In either case, he owes her for her help. Russ has a F2 deal with almost everybody. I know he and Jaison (not much face time lately) has a F2 deal. Russ and Natalie have had a F2 deal since epi 1. I'm not sure about Russ and Mick, but I seem to remember Russ offering a F2 to Laura when she was the spy at Foa. |
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Teviko |
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Yes, Russ did promise Shambo a F2. But then again, he promised everyone a F2.
So what if they follow Russ. If he finds it, it's his, even if someone is two steps behind him. But everyone will know he has it so they won't vote for him. Well, that's where the Russ Alliance needs to be of one mind on how they use the HII. If they can consider the HII a community idol, regardless of who finds it, then they may very well be able to eliminate another Former Galu (F.G.) member. The trick will be to get a good idea about who the F.G.'s are targeting and make sure they give that person the idol with revealing their hand. |
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Teviko wrote:___________ You are correct. It all hinges on who the FG's target if it is not Russ. Assuming they know Sham is with FF to make it 5 to 5, and Russ has the HII, the FG's could target one of the other FF+S's. Here is how I would play it: Assuming Russ finds HII and Jaison wins IC, the FF+S's target Laura with 5 votes. Knowing Jaison is safe and Russ has the HII, the FG's should target Natalie with all 5 votes to force a fire making tie. Russ gives Nat the HII and Laura will be gone. If the FG's find out Nat has the HII they switch to Russ who will tie with Laura at 5-5 and he should be able to start fire before her. The weakest fire starter on FF+S is probably Natalie since Mick, Jaison, Sham, and Russ all probably work to start the fire. Over at FG, Laura and Monica let the guys do most of the work so I don't see them starting a fire. |
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Basileos |
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I think next week hinges on who has the HII (if it is anyone), and is it generally known to everybody.
But if we take the HII out of consideration, will Shambo vote with FF to force a tie? I know she likes them better, but I did notice she put Russell's name down, which says to me she doesn't want to burn any bridges either...just in case. But a flat out tie-breaker would lay all her cards out on the table, and I can't imagine that would go over very well. Even though she was 5th wheel in the tribal alliance, people kinda get pissy when someone flips on them, even if they were only using that person for their vote. |
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Teviko |
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I'm thinking Shambo is a mole and her Russell vote was an attempt to keep F.G.'s trust, knowing that a Russell vote wasn't going to hurt him. I
wouldn't be surprised if she's the one that assured Russell last week, "No, they are not voting for Natalie so you have to play the idol." If
this is the case, Shambo should go along with anything FG wants until it's absolutely necessary not to vote with them. That way she can gather information
and pass it on.
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TigerJohn |
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I agree that Shambo voting for Russel was subterfuge to make former Galu THINK she was on their side, when she is really in a hidden alliance with Russel and
former Foa
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